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Last Post 29 May 2011 04:53 AM by zinyop. 20 Replies.
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22 May 2011 08:38 AM  

I just got my very first Culebra. I'm psyched. Noew what lololol. Do they have any special needs.?

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22 May 2011 08:48 AM  
I ordered one from JT about a month ago Sekhment. He mentioned keeping it a bit drier than other brugs. I only water it when I see the top of soil is dry, and then sparsely. It is doing very well with this treatment.
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22 May 2011 09:59 AM  

!!! okay from now on I will keep it dryer lolol I tottaly soaked it down  10 min ago, before I read this.lololol

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22 May 2011 10:48 AM  
I did the same thing, as soon as I got it. Several leaves yellowed, and when I knew they would drop, I pulled them off.
I then only watered as I mentioned above, and have no more yellow leaves, and the plant has taken well to the new planter it is in. I think it will be fine Sekhment
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22 May 2011 09:35 PM  
Good luck guys! It certainly is an unusual brug!
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23 May 2011 03:03 AM  
With Culebra, you really want to treat it like a "Brug under glass". It's probably one of the most finicky Brugs, so if you don't do everything just right..if not perfect, it might just fail. Don't overwater, underwater, overfertilize, underfertilize. Don't let it be too shaded, don't give it too much sun.
Most importantly, don't expect much from it. It really grows excruciatingly slow, it almost never flowers for the first 2-3 years for most people (I've heard longer). When it does bloom, you may get one or two flowers. Don't expect 20 or 30.
I have spoken to many people who say that if you don't have ideal conditions, then it's not going to do well, and most have given up on it.
I wish you the very best of luck, because it will likely test all of your patience with Brugs.
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23 May 2011 04:08 AM  
OOOoo, thanks very much for the extra information RJ. So far, mine seems to have 'taken' in it's now new home, so I guess I'll just keep doing exactly what I'm doing and leave it at that. I think the strange leaf and pattern to them is enough to satisfy me for the keeping of it. 2 or 3 flowers? Then those I will covet, and be sure to save pollen to!
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23 May 2011 07:20 AM  
Cassie,
Culebra is a wonderful cvs. Thread it like an aurea - in summer normal (watering when needed) and in winter very reduced watering.
By the way what about your vulcanicolas from Matt? Did the flower?

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23 May 2011 09:12 AM  
What do you mean by 'thread?'
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23 May 2011 10:33 AM  
Posted By Bodhi on 23 May 2011 11:12 AM
What do you mean by 'thread?'

 

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24 May 2011 06:04 PM  
RJ your scaring me!!! you know I have the power to stare bud off of plant lolol What kind of conditions should I keep it in? I know I have already gave it to much water so I stoped that so far no yellow leaves. And what kind of fert and how often?
HJ No I air layered my Zunacs and they were fine and then its was almost like overnight (porb about 4-5 days) They died I was so upset!!! it really brok my heart whathing them wither wilt and die I still have no idea what I did wrong one day Beautiful and the next bla . I do have a strybing with buds on it, my inca princes is doing awesome, I have grown some sang x wildfire and san x oro verde, seeds the are almost 6 feet tall.!! lolol i think I made the reach for light to much I hope with summer here and longer days that they will Y I really dont want them that tall ehehehe
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25 May 2011 06:24 PM  
Hi guys,

I find Culebra to be very easy to grow actually, regularly producing flushes of 20-30 flowers.
Just like a normal aurea but slower.
I am surprised it is fertile, being such an abberant form.

I hybridised culebra with a yellow Aurea and collected seed off it.
Very few were viable, but around 3 germinated.
These seedlings are healthy but unusually slow-growing.
Thus far they appear to have developed normal-looking leaves but still early days.
Was just wondering if anyone had any seedlings off culebra as a pod parent (or pollen donor)
and what the flowers looked like?
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25 May 2011 08:48 PM  

I'm glad to hear someone's having great luck with this one. All other pure Aurea does great here with our dry climate, but for some reason, Culebra doesn't like the temperature flux we have, combined with our cool wet winters..so it seems to decline for whatever reason and never recovers well. Also, I did have mine put out 4 blooms within a couple weeks of each other, but many other people say it's years before they see it's first bloom, because of the super slow growth. I guess maybe I'm getting used to the more rugged ones and faster growers I'm concentrating all of my work on nowadays, and don't have patience for the more finicky ones. lol

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27 May 2011 04:10 AM  
@ Zinyop - Culebra is one of the types that only sporadically set seeds. So you are a lucky winner if you got some seeds. Was Culebra the pod or the pollen parent?

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27 May 2011 07:10 AM  
Zinyop, where do you live? What climate and zone?
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27 May 2011 05:54 PM  
@ greenfinger- pod parent.
The seed pod looks more like a candida than aurea in shape, but with a rough texture to the skin.
Also the seeds were smaller, rounded and black.
Do you know of examples of what to expect in the seedlings flowers with Culebra as a parent?
Is it possible that unusual leaf characteristics inherited from it can come through?
As said the leaves of my seedlings appear at present to be normal, but they are very young.

@ Bodhi- cool temperature Aust. which I believe translates to USDA zone 10a.

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28 May 2011 02:36 AM  

Hi zinyop,

There is not much info on breeding with 'Culebra' available. Also the discoverer of the plant - R.E. Schultes - did not post much info on seeds and seedpods. He only stated that they are rarely seen in the Alto Putumayo region / Colombia.
Theoretically it is possible that the plant characteristics are inherited if the change in the genome is fixed. But I have to say that it is not clear at the moment what caused the change in the leave-style, the pistil and the growth. We need more info here.
I have a plant of it - but so far no chance to breed with it.

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28 May 2011 02:54 AM  
HJ,
Because it is a true specie, will it breed with itself? Could I cross two flowers on the same plant and get seed?
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28 May 2011 06:22 AM  
Bodhi,
No, it is not rated as true species. I think as most of our Brugmansias have a incompatibility mechanism in the pistil (exception B. arborea) you won't get seeds.

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28 May 2011 07:41 AM  
Thank you. I learn something here every day! Great thread you started Cassie
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