Sphaerocarpium

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Sphaerocarpium
For the discussion of B. arborea,
B. sanguinea, B. vulcanicola, and their hybrids.
B. vulcanicola 'Zunac'
Last Post 21 Jul 2010 12:58 AM by carolinagal. 7 Replies.
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09 Jul 2010 05:27 PM  

One of my Zunac seedlings finally decided to bloom. I am still not convinced that it is a pure vulcanicola since there are some differences to the vulcanicola descriptions and photos of Preissel's plants. What would be the next steps to determine that it is indeed a pure species? I am planning to obtain seeds by pollinating with my other Zunac seedlings (once they decide to bloom ) and grow out the next generation. For a pure species one would not expect to get much variability, right?

Here some data: Flower length: 9 in, diameter: 1.5 in, peaks: 1/4 in, plant height: 11 ft.

 

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09 Jul 2010 06:16 PM  
That is a lovely bloom, and those are great photos.
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10 Jul 2010 12:34 PM  

Micheal, It does match the description in Preissel's book. The short peaks, horizontal flowers, tightly wrapped calyx, orange red on the outside, yellow inside. Sure the leaves on the plant are larger and furrier than his description, but this can have to do with age/nutritional condition of the plants.

Also, you must remember that though Preissel's description of insignis is right, none of the pictures of "insignis" are really insignis. You have to take things in that book with a grain of salt.

I guess the next step for you is setting a seed pod. If the seeds have very little to no cork on them and are small, that should also help you lean toward pure vulc. The fact that it looks exactly like mine and the parent plant and the other pictures I posted on BGI of ones in the wild that Preissel said were vulcanicola's should help too.  Seed pod shape can vary greatly, so I wouldn't count on that.

Of course there's always the argument that there is no such thing as a pure species Brugmansia. My friend even argued for fun once that there are only two species, Brugmansia brugmansia and Brugmansia sphaerocarpium, any differences between plants within those species are just variations or hybrids.

But I'm sticking with vulcanicola.  It will be interesting to see if there is much difference from my seedlings from the north of Ecuador.

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11 Jul 2010 11:49 AM  
Wow that is a nice flower and the pics are great! I may have asked this before....but...what kind of Camera do you use? I am thinking about saving up for a DSLR.

I like how the calyx is darker..then an explosion of color!
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12 Jul 2010 04:30 AM  
Michael,
I love to see it flowering. It is for sure a pure Vulcanicola even if the growing habits differ a little bit from plant to plant compared to those Dr. Preissel has or the pics from Matt - that is natural variation in a phenotype and that also occurs with varing growing conditions.
I think Dr. Preissel is the only one that had seeds from the original place where the plant was first found by Barclay.

Matt - refering to insignis - there is one pure insignis in Dr. Preissels book (believe it or not). The contest we had last year at BGI was a big punch in the water as there is a herbar leave available. Dr. Preissel published (introduced it) in one of the local german garden magazines a proper description of what a real insignis is. I sent him the picture I took last year in Herrenhausen - and he told me that none of them is a pure one.
Looking forward to see more of your seedlings.
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12 Jul 2010 04:21 PM  

Thank you, everyone!

I am really looking forward seeing a seed pod form on the plant. Until my other clones start flowering, I am playing around with these blooms. I have applied some fresh arborea pollen and used some of the Zunac pollen on my Strybing vulsa. It will be interesting to see what happens.

Shawn - My camera is a Nikon D200 and the photos are taken with the 24-85mm Nikkor lens. I do a wide variety of photography under a multitude of conditions, so I decided on the heavier, more rugged semiprofessional model. I am at more than 20,000 shots with this camera and have not had a single issue, except some dust on the sensor (which happened while changing lenses in strong wind in the middle of the desert).

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12 Jul 2010 05:57 PM  

Wonderful pictures and a beautiful bloom!

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21 Jul 2010 12:58 AM  
Beautiful bloom. I wish I could grow the vulcanicolas but our high heat and high humidity won't allow it.
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